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Stan's avatar

Beautifully written and a succinct compilation of the history of Stoicism. Well done. Your conclusion at the end is spot on. Hadot refers to this as Cosmopolitanism - all humans are members of a single community.

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I took some notes.

1. He wrongly associates phusis with science, the later would be episteme.

2. He asserts that soul is not part of the world.

3. He introduces the alien concept of enlightenment.

4. He introduces the alien concept of non self.

5. He introduces non naturalist human exceptionalism

6. He takes a proof text from Hammond’s translation of Marcus 4.3 out of context to explicitly express mind body duality contra the physicalist monism of the Stoics.

<Consider that the mind, once it has abstracted itself and come to know its own defining power, has no contact with the movement of the bodily spirit, be that smooth or troubled>

This is Gill. It relates to the autonomy of reason and the faculty of assent and that desires and aversions are judgment. .

<Or will bodily things affect you? Reconsider that when the mind takes hold of itself and recognizes its own power, it no longer associates itself with the movements, rough or smooth of the breath; and finally think of what you have heard and assented to as regards pain and pleasure. >

And Gill's Notes.

<The third set of themes (4.3.6) seeks to counteract the power of ‘bodily things’, that is, ‘pain and pleasure’, and their corrupting influence on our ethical judgements. Marcus reminds himself of the capacity of the mind (dianoia) to recognize ‘its own power’, that is, to exercise ethical judgement independently of current sensations of pleasure and pain (‘movements, rough and smooth, of the breath’ (pneuma). For the psychological language used, see 2.2 and 5.26, also Introd., text to nn. 191–211; on the importance of exercising autonomy in the way we pass judgement on our sensations, especially before adding the judgement that something is good or bad, >

It is simply not about mind body duality, which is not a thing in Stoicism.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Marcus-Aurelius-Meditations-Clarendon-Philosophers-ebook/dp/B00HFQJQXY

7. He then explicitly identifies the logos as immaterial, therefore non-existent for the Stoics.

8. He states the “The integrated self is a fiction in Stoicism. It doesn’t exist” which is in direct contradiction with the monistic psycho-physical holism of the Stoics.

9. He identifies the human soul as transcendent and unknowable, which is in direct conflict with the Stoic pneumatic model. The soul is an exhalation of the blood associated with breath. .

TLDR: The Stoics were monistic physicalists.

This is recommended reading.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Structured-Self-Hellenistic-Roman-Thought/dp/019956437X

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